“Sometimes the best way to survive is to turn everything into hilarity.” – Ursula Vernon



In this episode of DITCH DIGGERS, hosts Mur Lafferty and Ursula Vernon share their experiences navigating the chaotic world of writing and marketing. From discussing the emotional rollercoaster of meeting deadlines to the challenges of book marketing, they explore the ups and downs of being a writer in today’s landscape.

Highlights include:

(05:32 ) Ursula has too many author copies. She’s written nearly 50 books

(12:30 ) Let’s talk about marketing for SwordHeart

(24:09 ) A lot of your writing happened when you were doing chemo

(31:34 ) Mur wants to talk about newsletters. They constantly vex her.

(33:00 ) When Mur left mailchimp, she didn’t export her mailing list

(44:58 ) It’s called decision fatigue for a reason

(54:26 ) If you do get the desire to create during this time, do it



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Links: 



* Tor Publishing

* Zombies Run

* Swordheart

* Episode Transcript



Evergreen Links:



* Ursula Vernon/T. Kingfisher

* Mur Lafferty

* Mur on Focusmate!

* Mur on Instagram, Youtube

* Newsletter, The Hot Mic

* Support via Patreon!

* Theme song by Devo Spice



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Ditch Diggers credits:

theme song by Devo Spice, art by Numbers Ninja,

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Feb 13, 2024 | Season 11 Ep 2 | murverse.com

“Weeping Bunkers and Writing Woes: Surviving the Creative Chaos” by Mur Lafferty and Ursula Vernon

is licensed under CC BY-NC-ND 4.0